By-election hype obscures the real issues Sunday Herald Editorial THEY HAVE descended on Glasgow East like vultures: the media commentators who have treated the residents of one of Europe's poorest and most desperate areas as no more than the butt of "sophisticated" jokes; the political analysts for whom the by-election has no meaning outside its implications for the future of Gordon Brown.
Next Friday, when the votes have been cast and the result is known, these people will leave with neither a backward glance nor barely a thought of what this by-election will mean for a constituency that desperately needs help to improve lives that have for so long been blighted by poverty.
This is not a battle for political point-scoring or an excuse for laughing at a community that has largely been failed by the political system. It will have repercussions far beyond the constituency boundaries - not least for a prime minister whose reputation for fiscal probity looks increasingly to have been built on sand and whose grip on power is loosening by the day. This is, or should be, about which candidate and which party is capable of bringing some hope to Glasgow East.
Does Labour deserve to hold on to its 26th safest seat?
It is a myth that the party has ignored this constituency. There have been initiatives and some successes. The Commonwealth Games should bring further improvements. It is, however, undeniable that much of the area continues to suffer from poverty, and that ill-health and addictions continue to ruin the lives of too many of its people. Labour rule has brought relief, but not enough and too slowly.
The question is: how can this
by-election best help Glasgow East? A narrow victory for Labour may persuade the party that more needs to be done. A defeat may focus minds on how to shore up support in the next general election. A Nationalist victory may bring a new broom, new ideas, new energy.
If this were an election for the Scottish parliament, we would argue that the SNP has brought a tangible improvement to life in Scotland, both in the sense of a more exciting and dynamic vision of the country and in an increased sense of self-confidence. We would say Labour's London control freakery has prevented the party from formulating a coherent strategy for Scotland. And we would point out that the party's woeful performance in opposition at Holyrood does not merit support from the electorate.
But this is not a Holyrood election. It is a by-election in which the important issues are entirely local.
Our advice to the constituents of Glasgow East, should they want it, would be only this: vote simply for the party you believe will spend more money on your area and provide more support for your lives. Don't vote to bring down Gordon Brown, or to save him. Ignore the "wider" issues; ignore the political analysts, the media commentators and the party hacks. They have ignored you in the past and they will not care about you in the future. Be completely selfish.
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Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 9:49pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote]Be completely selfish.[/quote] LoL
Be completely selfish.
LoL
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 9:54pm Sat 19 Jul 08
The initiatives and the regeneration are mostly projects for Labour politicians to pose for photographs in front of. Labour has created these problems over generations. Sticking plasters on them for newspaper headlines is cynical.
Labour's candidate makes like she wants to stand up for the area - she would say that. Stand up against what? Her own party!
As part of their campaign they have tried to prevent people talking about the poverty in the area. They say that it is patronising to talk about it. You mean it shows Labour up as the cause of it...
Labour will forget the constituency come Friday morning win or lose. They don't do social democratic politics. It was the SNP who brought in free prescription charges and help for poor students, pensioners and council tax payers.
No, Labour care only about votes in the South of England. That's the future for Glasgow East under team UK.
The real solution - independence. Glasgow East can throw off the shackles and lead Scotland down the road to real cures for our problems!
The initiatives and the regeneration are mostly projects for Labour politicians to pose for photographs in front of. Labour has created these problems over generations. Sticking plasters on them for newspaper headlines is cynical.
Labour's candidate makes like she wants to stand up for the area - she would say that. Stand up against what? Her own party!
As part of their campaign they have tried to prevent people talking about the poverty in the area. They say that it is patronising to talk about it. You mean it shows Labour up as the cause of it...
Labour will forget the constituency come Friday morning win or lose. They don't do social democratic politics. It was the SNP who brought in free prescription charges and help for poor students, pensioners and council tax payers.
No, Labour care only about votes in the South of England. That's the future for Glasgow East under team UK.
The real solution - independence. Glasgow East can throw off the shackles and lead Scotland down the road to real cures for our problems!
Posted by: Beverly, Glassgow on 9:56pm Sat 19 Jul 08
"The Commonwealth Games should bring further improvements" Gie's peace!
"The Commonwealth Games should bring further improvements" Gie's peace!
Posted by: Martin, Edinburgh on 10:09pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Vote for who will spend more on them ?? What stupid advice - this is one of the reasons there is the dependency culture that keeps them where they are.
Vote for who will spend more on them ?? What stupid advice - this is one of the reasons there is the dependency culture that keeps them where they are.
Posted by: Alex Porter, Madrid on 10:10pm Sat 19 Jul 08
On the subject of the media.
This election has shown most of the media managing news for a positive outcome for Labour in Glasgow East. Yes, the hacks won another election.
I can tell them this; the rest of Scotland can't be manipulated so easily!
It is time for the press to follow the example of the Sunday Herald and tell the truth as they see it.
Scotland's media are shameful.
On the subject of the media.
This election has shown most of the media managing news for a positive outcome for Labour in Glasgow East. Yes, the hacks won another election.
I can tell them this; the rest of Scotland can't be manipulated so easily!
It is time for the press to follow the example of the Sunday Herald and tell the truth as they see it.
Scotland's media are shameful.
Posted by: barry, glasgow on 10:22pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Be completely selfish?
Bit of a surprise to find The Sunday Herald advising the Glasgow East electorate to apply Thatcherite dogma to the forthcoming by-election.
"If this were an election for the Scottish parliament, we would argue that the SNP has brought a tangible improvement to life in Scotland, both in the sense of a more exciting and dynamic vision of the country and in an increased sense of self-confidence. We would say Labour's London control freakery has prevented the party from formulating a coherent strategy for Scotland. And we would point out that the party's woeful performance in opposition at Holyrood does not merit support from the electorate."
Ok so you would poiint this out in a Scottish election. If the SNP's good for Scotland in a Scottish election then surely they will also be good for Scotland in a UK election, perhaps more so?
SAdly Labour will scrape through this week but how times have changed in Scottish politics! Imagine SNP coming near to challenging Labour in Glasgow East ten years ago! Imagine where we could be ten years from now!
Be completely selfish?
Bit of a surprise to find The Sunday Herald advising the Glasgow East electorate to apply Thatcherite dogma to the forthcoming by-election.
"If this were an election for the Scottish parliament, we would argue that the SNP has brought a tangible improvement to life in Scotland, both in the sense of a more exciting and dynamic vision of the country and in an increased sense of self-confidence. We would say Labour's London control freakery has prevented the party from formulating a coherent strategy for Scotland. And we would point out that the party's woeful performance in opposition at Holyrood does not merit support from the electorate."
Ok so you would poiint this out in a Scottish election. If the SNP's good for Scotland in a Scottish election then surely they will also be good for Scotland in a UK election, perhaps more so?
SAdly Labour will scrape through this week but how times have changed in Scottish politics! Imagine SNP coming near to challenging Labour in Glasgow East ten years ago! Imagine where we could be ten years from now!
Posted by: Im no really here, but over there on 10:30pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote]Labour rule has brought relief, but not enough and too slowly.[/quote]I think that Labour Rule in Scotland, in particular the West of Scotland and Glasgow, has caused the problems. Labour Rule brought relief - from who? - Labour?
[quote]A narrow victory for Labour may persuade the party that more needs to be done. A defeat may focus minds on how to shore up support in the next general election.[/quote]No. A narrow victory for Labour will have them patting themselves on the back and crowing that they have defeated the SNP. A defeat will bring out the knives.
Either way, for Labour this by-election is about Labour and nothing to do with the people of Glasgow East.
Labour rule has brought relief, but not enough and too slowly.
I think that Labour Rule in Scotland, in particular the West of Scotland and Glasgow, has caused the problems. Labour Rule brought relief - from who? - Labour?
A narrow victory for Labour may persuade the party that more needs to be done. A defeat may focus minds on how to shore up support in the next general election.
No. A narrow victory for Labour will have them patting themselves on the back and crowing that they have defeated the SNP. A defeat will bring out the knives.
Either way, for Labour this by-election is about Labour and nothing to do with the people of Glasgow East.
Posted by: Jimbo on 10:31pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote]Does Labour deserve to hold on to its 26th safest seat?[/quote]
Most definitely not.
[quote]It is a myth that the party has ignored this constituency.[/quote]
Really? What party has had complete control of Glasgow for the past 50 years and what party has allowed this once thriving area to degenerate into the poorest area in Europe, merely treating the inhabitants as voting fodder?
[quote]There have been initiatives and some successes. The Commonwealth Games should bring further improvements.[/quote]
Subliminal propaganda stated in such a way as to mislead the reader into thinking that the Labour party are responsible for bringing the Commonwealth Games to Glasgow.
[quote]The question is: how can this by-election best help Glasgow East?[/quote]
Simple answer; Take this opportunity to get rid of the dead wood that is the Labour Party. During this election campaign the Labour Party have been blaming the Thatcher administration for all the woes that afflict the East-End. The truth is that the demise of the East-End began back in the days of Wilson and Callaghan.
Who remembers when one side of Kenmore Street was demolished and left looking like a bomb-site for decades? Or when Shettleston Road, Edrom Street, Elvan Street, Fenella Street and Old Shettleston Road were left in similar dereliction? Did any Labour MP step forward and say something had to be done? Or were the Labour MPs too busy lining their pockets and putting themselves and their party before their constituents?
Who remembers the feeble fifty Labour MPs of the Thatcher era who were more concerned with what was going on in London whilst Glasgow was left to decline?
Labour's leadership and MPs are sitting up and taking an interest now, but they're forty years too late.
Does Labour deserve to hold on to its 26th safest seat?
Most definitely not.
It is a myth that the party has ignored this constituency.
Really? What party has had complete control of Glasgow for the past 50 years and what party has allowed this once thriving area to degenerate into the poorest area in Europe, merely treating the inhabitants as voting fodder?
There have been initiatives and some successes. The Commonwealth Games should bring further improvements.
Subliminal propaganda stated in such a way as to mislead the reader into thinking that the Labour party are responsible for bringing the Commonwealth Games to Glasgow.
The question is: how can this by-election best help Glasgow East?
Simple answer; Take this opportunity to get rid of the dead wood that is the Labour Party. During this election campaign the Labour Party have been blaming the Thatcher administration for all the woes that afflict the East-End. The truth is that the demise of the East-End began back in the days of Wilson and Callaghan.
Who remembers when one side of Kenmore Street was demolished and left looking like a bomb-site for decades? Or when Shettleston Road, Edrom Street, Elvan Street, Fenella Street and Old Shettleston Road were left in similar dereliction? Did any Labour MP step forward and say something had to be done? Or were the Labour MPs too busy lining their pockets and putting themselves and their party before their constituents?
Who remembers the feeble fifty Labour MPs of the Thatcher era who were more concerned with what was going on in London whilst Glasgow was left to decline?
Labour's leadership and MPs are sitting up and taking an interest now, but they're forty years too late.
Posted by: Faux Cu on 10:32pm Sat 19 Jul 08
So what is the "feel" in G E from the troops.
Will it be stolen by ZaNuLab?
Or will scare the sh1te out London?
So what is the "feel" in G E from the troops.
Will it be stolen by ZaNuLab?
Or will scare the sh1te out London?
Posted by: Im no really here, but over there on 10:33pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote]SAdly Labour will scrape through this week[/quote] Don't be so defeatist Barry. You've been reading the Scottish Press too much.
SAdly Labour will scrape through this week
Don't be so defeatist Barry. You've been reading the Scottish Press too much.
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 10:35pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Good to see the nutjob nats have finally given up the ghost and realised that their simplistic, jingoistic and delusional message is being rejected. Over the last few weeks we've seen on these boards and others polluted with the kind of political effluent which the SNP specialise in.
We've had looney tunes conspiracy theories, anti-English bigotry and attempted character assasination. In the process the SNP have broken election law (but they apologised for breaking the law, so that's ok, isn't it, you pathetic hypocrites?)
Now, when the people of the east end of Glasgow decide they'd rather not have a smirking wee bigot represent them just watch teh insults fly from the bitter nats.
The end is nigh, nats. Deal with it.
Good to see the nutjob nats have finally given up the ghost and realised that their simplistic, jingoistic and delusional message is being rejected. Over the last few weeks we've seen on these boards and others polluted with the kind of political effluent which the SNP specialise in.
We've had looney tunes conspiracy theories, anti-English bigotry and attempted character assasination. In the process the SNP have broken election law (but they apologised for breaking the law, so that's ok, isn't it, you pathetic hypocrites?)
Now, when the people of the east end of Glasgow decide they'd rather not have a smirking wee bigot represent them just watch teh insults fly from the bitter nats.
The end is nigh, nats. Deal with it.
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 10:41pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Alex Porter[/bold] wrote:
The initiatives and the regeneration are mostly projects for Labour politicians to pose for photographs in front of. Labour has created these problems over generations. Sticking plasters on them for newspaper headlines is cynical. Labour's candidate makes like she wants to stand up for the area - she would say that. Stand up against what? Her own party! As part of their campaign they have tried to prevent people talking about the poverty in the area. They say that it is patronising to talk about it. You mean it shows Labour up as the cause of it... Labour will forget the constituency come Friday morning win or lose. They don't do social democratic politics. It was the SNP who brought in free prescription charges and help for poor students, pensioners and council tax payers. No, Labour care only about votes in the South of England. That's the future for Glasgow East under team UK. The real solution - independence. Glasgow East can throw off the shackles and lead Scotland down the road to real cures for our problems![/quote] 'The initiatives and the regeneration are mostly projects for Labour politicians to pose for photographs in front of'
You haven't a clue what you're talking about, have you? You just spout a lot of poisonous guff without thought or care. It doesn't really matter to you whether regeneration works or not as long as you can make your worthless points.
Pathetic, insignificant troll.
[bold]IGNORE THE TROLLS[/bold]
Alex Porter wrote:
The initiatives and the regeneration are mostly projects for Labour politicians to pose for photographs in front of. Labour has created these problems over generations. Sticking plasters on them for newspaper headlines is cynical. Labour's candidate makes like she wants to stand up for the area - she would say that. Stand up against what? Her own party! As part of their campaign they have tried to prevent people talking about the poverty in the area. They say that it is patronising to talk about it. You mean it shows Labour up as the cause of it... Labour will forget the constituency come Friday morning win or lose. They don't do social democratic politics. It was the SNP who brought in free prescription charges and help for poor students, pensioners and council tax payers. No, Labour care only about votes in the South of England. That's the future for Glasgow East under team UK. The real solution - independence. Glasgow East can throw off the shackles and lead Scotland down the road to real cures for our problems!
'The initiatives and the regeneration are mostly projects for Labour politicians to pose for photographs in front of'
You haven't a clue what you're talking about, have you? You just spout a lot of poisonous guff without thought or care. It doesn't really matter to you whether regeneration works or not as long as you can make your worthless points.
Pathetic, insignificant troll.
IGNORE THE TROLLS Posted by: barry, glasgow on 10:42pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Maybe I have. I keep getting this feeling that somehow I, as a Scot, just am not good enough or viable as an ongoing economic or human concern, yet all the people of other nations in the world somehow are.
Help is being sought.
Maybe I have. I keep getting this feeling that somehow I, as a Scot, just am not good enough or viable as an ongoing economic or human concern, yet all the people of other nations in the world somehow are.
Help is being sought.
Posted by: Mack, Highland TROLL FREE ZONE on 10:43pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[bold]FAKE HAMISH JUST FOR YOU.[/bold]
http://curezone.com/
forums/troll.asp
I was looking up some 'Netiquette Guidelines' and got the following info on Trolls:
"
An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" or "Message Board Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.
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A CureZone Troll is generally a person who is extremely skeptical of the main forum subject.
He is generally interested to make other forum members look stupid. A troll will sometimes use insults to provoke other people to insult him. Then, he will complain to moderators of being insulted and will request that his opponents get banned from further discussion."
and
"He (and in 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Sometimes, he is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Many curezone trolls are people trying to promote Quackwatch / ratbags agenda through fear mongering.
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When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them.
Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed.
Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself.
Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled
"Troll Alert"
and type only this:
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people don't read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers."
FAKE HAMISH JUST FOR YOU.
http://curezone.com/
forums/troll.asp
I was looking up some 'Netiquette Guidelines' and got the following info on Trolls:
"
An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" or "Message Board Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.
A classic CureZone troll is trying to make us believe that he is a genuine skeptic with no hidden agenda. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.
While sometimes, he may sound like a stupid, uninformed, ignorant poster, do not be deceived! Most trolls are highly intelligent people trying to hide behind a mask of stupidity and/or ignorance! They usually have an agenda. Very few trolls come to CureZone out of pure skepticism.
A CureZone Troll is generally a person who is extremely skeptical of the main forum subject.
He is generally interested to make other forum members look stupid. A troll will sometimes use insults to provoke other people to insult him. Then, he will complain to moderators of being insulted and will request that his opponents get banned from further discussion."
and
"He (and in 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Sometimes, he is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Many curezone trolls are people trying to promote Quackwatch / ratbags agenda through fear mongering.
For many trolls, lack of hard evidence about any therapy equals "DANGER". He will try to scare people from even trying the therapy just because there is no hard evidence that therapy is more effective then placebo.
Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.
Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator. CureZone moderators usually delete troll messages or block trolls. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.
Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.
When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them.
Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed.
Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself.
Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled
"Troll Alert"
and type only this:
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people don't read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers."
Posted by: ditchgazza on 10:44pm Sat 19 Jul 08
In a way, Lamish, I hope the Maggot wins.
With all the media attention the people will be looking to see if she'll deliver on her promises.
Something she has no intention of doing. Maggot is attracted to the trough like her fellow liebour traitors and the call of the John Lewis catalogue is the driving force for her.
In a way, Lamish, I hope the Maggot wins.
With all the media attention the people will be looking to see if she'll deliver on her promises.
Something she has no intention of doing. Maggot is attracted to the trough like her fellow liebour traitors and the call of the John Lewis catalogue is the driving force for her.
Posted by: Glen Campbell, Edinburgh on 10:45pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Poor Magggie - born without an honest bone in her body
tinyurl.com/62swzs
[quote]I struggled to make smalltalk with her. The only thing we had in common was her most recent campaign leaflet, hundreds of which I had been shoving through letterboxes on her behalf - a personally signed letter in which she declared her commitment to the area.
"I am Glasgow born and bred. I have lived here through good times and bad," it stated. "I am proud of what so many of us have done to improve our community, but we all know there is more to do."
I congratulated her on the heartfelt commitment she had demonstrated to the people of the east end: "I really liked the new letter I was handing out the other day."
She replied: "Somebody said, 'Oh Margaret, I got your letter, thanks very much, it was brilliant.' I don't know what the letter says, but I'm sure it's very good."[/quote]
Poor Magggie - born without an honest bone in her body
tinyurl.com/62swzs
I struggled to make smalltalk with her. The only thing we had in common was her most recent campaign leaflet, hundreds of which I had been shoving through letterboxes on her behalf - a personally signed letter in which she declared her commitment to the area.
"I am Glasgow born and bred. I have lived here through good times and bad," it stated. "I am proud of what so many of us have done to improve our community, but we all know there is more to do."
I congratulated her on the heartfelt commitment she had demonstrated to the people of the east end: "I really liked the new letter I was handing out the other day."
She replied: "Somebody said, 'Oh Margaret, I got your letter, thanks very much, it was brilliant.' I don't know what the letter says, but I'm sure it's very good."
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 10:46pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Vote for who will spend more money on them ? What most people don't seem to realise is that Labour have spent money on Glasgow, icluding the east end, but as they couldn't run a bath never mind a country, it has made little to no difference.
No, don't vote for people who will throw money at the constituency, vote for the politician who wants to make a difference. The SNP, SSP, Solidarity and Green candidates all aim to change the way we run things. Labour Libs and Tories offer the same old same. Don't vote for who will throw resources at you, vote for someone who will change things.
Vote for who will spend more money on them ? What most people don't seem to realise is that Labour have spent money on Glasgow, icluding the east end, but as they couldn't run a bath never mind a country, it has made little to no difference.
No, don't vote for people who will throw money at the constituency, vote for the politician who wants to make a difference. The SNP, SSP, Solidarity and Green candidates all aim to change the way we run things. Labour Libs and Tories offer the same old same. Don't vote for who will throw resources at you, vote for someone who will change things.
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 10:48pm Sat 19 Jul 08
A "must read" from behind the scenes at SLAB's Glasgow East campaign office. Priceless ! And makes me think that the whole rotten SLAB edifice is ready to crumble...even by Thursday ? Possibly ... if the SNP can land the right punches ! Enjoy anyway...
[bold]
They would have employed a monkey[/bold]
[italic]
Brendan Perring suspected Labour’s election machine had spun off the tracks. What he saw at campaign HQ proved it has[/italic]
tinyurl.com/62swzs
Heave awa lads and lassies, heave awa :-))
A "must read" from behind the scenes at SLAB's Glasgow East campaign office. Priceless ! And makes me think that the whole rotten SLAB edifice is ready to crumble...even by Thursday ? Possibly ... if the SNP can land the right punches ! Enjoy anyway...
They would have employed a monkey
Brendan Perring suspected Labour’s election machine had spun off the tracks. What he saw at campaign HQ proved it has
tinyurl.com/62swzs
Heave awa lads and lassies, heave awa :-))
Posted by: Graham, Bannockburn on 10:49pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]ditchgazza[/bold] wrote:
In a way, Lamish, I hope the Maggot wins. With all the media attention the people will be looking to see if she'll deliver on her promises. Something she has no intention of doing. Maggot is attracted to the trough like her fellow liebour traitors and the call of the John Lewis catalogue is the driving force for her.[/quote] ditch-baby,
Well, you won't be disappointed when she does win then, will you? Just watch your fellow nats disparage the people of Glasgow East when they reject your wee, parochial bigot of a candidate.
It won't be a pretty sight.....
ditchgazza wrote:
In a way, Lamish, I hope the Maggot wins. With all the media attention the people will be looking to see if she'll deliver on her promises. Something she has no intention of doing. Maggot is attracted to the trough like her fellow liebour traitors and the call of the John Lewis catalogue is the driving force for her.
ditch-baby,
Well, you won't be disappointed when she does win then, will you? Just watch your fellow nats disparage the people of Glasgow East when they reject your wee, parochial bigot of a candidate.
It won't be a pretty sight.....
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 10:52pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote:
Vote for who will spend more money on them ? What most people don't seem to realise is that Labour have spent money on Glasgow, icluding the east end, but as they couldn't run a bath never mind a country, it has made little to no difference. No, don't vote for people who will throw money at the constituency, vote for the politician who wants to make a difference. The SNP, SSP, Solidarity and Green candidates all aim to change the way we run things. Labour Libs and Tories offer the same old same. Don't vote for who will throw resources at you, vote for someone who will change things.[/quote] Observer,
Aye you're right enough, vote for the SNP candidate and he will try and change things - a woman's right to choose for one, and you support that change do you?
Observer wrote:
Vote for who will spend more money on them ? What most people don't seem to realise is that Labour have spent money on Glasgow, icluding the east end, but as they couldn't run a bath never mind a country, it has made little to no difference. No, don't vote for people who will throw money at the constituency, vote for the politician who wants to make a difference. The SNP, SSP, Solidarity and Green candidates all aim to change the way we run things. Labour Libs and Tories offer the same old same. Don't vote for who will throw resources at you, vote for someone who will change things.
Observer,
Aye you're right enough, vote for the SNP candidate and he will try and change things - a woman's right to choose for one, and you support that change do you?
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 10:53pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Graham[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ditchgazza[/bold] wrote: In a way, Lamish, I hope the Maggot wins. With all the media attention the people will be looking to see if she'll deliver on her promises. Something she has no intention of doing. Maggot is attracted to the trough like her fellow liebour traitors and the call of the John Lewis catalogue is the driving force for her.[/quote] ditch-baby, Well, you won't be disappointed when she does win then, will you? Just watch your fellow nats disparage the people of Glasgow East when they reject your wee, parochial bigot of a candidate. It won't be a pretty sight.....[/quote] That's a dirty shot Graham. Even an atheist who supports every aspect of the embryo bill (like me) can see that this is about more than a single issue. Do try not to drag this down to the gutter please.
Graham wrote:
ditchgazza wrote: In a way, Lamish, I hope the Maggot wins. With all the media attention the people will be looking to see if she'll deliver on her promises. Something she has no intention of doing. Maggot is attracted to the trough like her fellow liebour traitors and the call of the John Lewis catalogue is the driving force for her.
ditch-baby, Well, you won't be disappointed when she does win then, will you? Just watch your fellow nats disparage the people of Glasgow East when they reject your wee, parochial bigot of a candidate. It won't be a pretty sight.....
That's a dirty shot Graham. Even an atheist who supports every aspect of the embryo bill (like me) can see that this is about more than a single issue. Do try not to drag this down to the gutter please.
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 10:54pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Mack[/bold] wrote:
[bold]FAKE HAMISH JUST FOR YOU.[/bold] http://curezone.com/ forums/troll.asp I was looking up some \'Netiquette Guidelines\' and got the following info on Trolls: \" An \"Internet troll\" or \"Forum Troll\" or \"Message Board Troll\" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war. A classic CureZone troll is trying to make us believe that he is a genuine skeptic with no hidden agenda. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, \"searching for the truth\", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them. While sometimes, he may sound like a stupid, uninformed, ignorant poster, do not be deceived! Most trolls are highly intelligent people trying to hide behind a mask of stupidity and/or ignorance! They usually have an agenda. Very few trolls come to CureZone out of pure skepticism. A CureZone Troll is generally a person who is extremely skeptical of the main forum subject. He is generally interested to make other forum members look stupid. A troll will sometimes use insults to provoke other people to insult him. Then, he will complain to moderators of being insulted and will request that his opponents get banned from further discussion.\" and \"He (and in 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people. Sometimes, he is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Many curezone trolls are people trying to promote Quackwatch / ratbags agenda through fear mongering. For many trolls, lack of hard evidence about any therapy equals \"DANGER\". He will try to scare people from even trying the therapy just because there is no hard evidence that therapy is more effective then placebo. Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators. Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator. CureZone moderators usually delete troll messages or block trolls. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users. Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash. When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed. Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself. Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled \"Troll Alert\" and type only this: The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people don\'t read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers.\" [/quote] As I said:
[bold]IGNORE THE TROLLS[/bold]
You can recognise them by their long, boring and demented pseudo-scientific posts.
Mack, you really are a dimwit, give it up.
Mack wrote:
FAKE HAMISH JUST FOR YOU. http://curezone.com/ forums/troll.asp I was looking up some \'Netiquette Guidelines\' and got the following info on Trolls: \" An \"Internet troll\" or \"Forum Troll\" or \"Message Board Troll\" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war. A classic CureZone troll is trying to make us believe that he is a genuine skeptic with no hidden agenda. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, \"searching for the truth\", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them. While sometimes, he may sound like a stupid, uninformed, ignorant poster, do not be deceived! Most trolls are highly intelligent people trying to hide behind a mask of stupidity and/or ignorance! They usually have an agenda. Very few trolls come to CureZone out of pure skepticism. A CureZone Troll is generally a person who is extremely skeptical of the main forum subject. He is generally interested to make other forum members look stupid. A troll will sometimes use insults to provoke other people to insult him. Then, he will complain to moderators of being insulted and will request that his opponents get banned from further discussion.\" and \"He (and in 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people. Sometimes, he is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Many curezone trolls are people trying to promote Quackwatch / ratbags agenda through fear mongering. For many trolls, lack of hard evidence about any therapy equals \"DANGER\". He will try to scare people from even trying the therapy just because there is no hard evidence that therapy is more effective then placebo. Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators. Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator. CureZone moderators usually delete troll messages or block trolls. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users. Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash. When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed. Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself. Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled \"Troll Alert\" and type only this: The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people don\'t read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers.\"
As I said:
IGNORE THE TROLLS
You can recognise them by their long, boring and demented pseudo-scientific posts.
Mack, you really are a dimwit, give it up.
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 10:56pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hamish[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote: Vote for who will spend more money on them ? What most people don't seem to realise is that Labour have spent money on Glasgow, icluding the east end, but as they couldn't run a bath never mind a country, it has made little to no difference. No, don't vote for people who will throw money at the constituency, vote for the politician who wants to make a difference. The SNP, SSP, Solidarity and Green candidates all aim to change the way we run things. Labour Libs and Tories offer the same old same. Don't vote for who will throw resources at you, vote for someone who will change things.[/quote] Observer, Aye you're right enough, vote for the SNP candidate and he will try and change things - a woman's right to choose for one, and you support that change do you?[/quote] I have just answered Graham and will answer you in a similar way. You must knw my views on abortion rights and support for medical research. I deplore John Mason's comments on that. But the issue of the by election is bigger, so as I said to Graham don't drag it down to gutter level. Try and see the wood, not the trees.
Hamish wrote:
Observer wrote: Vote for who will spend more money on them ? What most people don't seem to realise is that Labour have spent money on Glasgow, icluding the east end, but as they couldn't run a bath never mind a country, it has made little to no difference. No, don't vote for people who will throw money at the constituency, vote for the politician who wants to make a difference. The SNP, SSP, Solidarity and Green candidates all aim to change the way we run things. Labour Libs and Tories offer the same old same. Don't vote for who will throw resources at you, vote for someone who will change things.
Observer, Aye you're right enough, vote for the SNP candidate and he will try and change things - a woman's right to choose for one, and you support that change do you?
I have just answered Graham and will answer you in a similar way. You must knw my views on abortion rights and support for medical research. I deplore John Mason's comments on that. But the issue of the by election is bigger, so as I said to Graham don't drag it down to gutter level. Try and see the wood, not the trees.
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 10:57pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Hamish McKrapspeak - Attempted character assassination? Do you mean drawing attention to Curran's lies about living and working in the East of Glasgow all her life? Or posing with a Labour activist, purporting to be a war veteran? Or lying about supporting a ban on airguns to the couple whose baby son was killed by such a weapon?
Broken election law? I take it you're referring to police being pictured on an election leaflet - like similar pictures in other parties' leaflets that came through my door in previous elections? All parties use this type of picture to support their claims that they will be supportive of the police and tough on crime. And yes, when picked up on it, the SNP election team apologised, which is more than the sordid Labour lot have done about Curran's deliberate lies to mislead the electorate of Glasgow East.
Re your repeated insulting comment about John Mason being a "smirking wee bigot" - I could respond in kind by referring to your preferred candidate as a lying,hatchet-faced, screeching harridan, but I won't sink to your level.
Hamish McKrapspeak - Attempted character assassination? Do you mean drawing attention to Curran's lies about living and working in the East of Glasgow all her life? Or posing with a Labour activist, purporting to be a war veteran? Or lying about supporting a ban on airguns to the couple whose baby son was killed by such a weapon?
Broken election law? I take it you're referring to police being pictured on an election leaflet - like similar pictures in other parties' leaflets that came through my door in previous elections? All parties use this type of picture to support their claims that they will be supportive of the police and tough on crime. And yes, when picked up on it, the SNP election team apologised, which is more than the sordid Labour lot have done about Curran's deliberate lies to mislead the electorate of Glasgow East.
Re your repeated insulting comment about John Mason being a "smirking wee bigot" - I could respond in kind by referring to your preferred candidate as a lying,hatchet-faced, screeching harridan, but I won't sink to your level.
Posted by: Graham, Bannockburn on 10:59pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hamish[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote: Vote for who will spend more money on them ? What most people don't seem to realise is that Labour have spent money on Glasgow, icluding the east end, but as they couldn't run a bath never mind a country, it has made little to no difference. No, don't vote for people who will throw money at the constituency, vote for the politician who wants to make a difference. The SNP, SSP, Solidarity and Green candidates all aim to change the way we run things. Labour Libs and Tories offer the same old same. Don't vote for who will throw resources at you, vote for someone who will change things.[/quote] Observer, Aye you're right enough, vote for the SNP candidate and he will try and change things - a woman's right to choose for one, and you support that change do you?[/quote] Not only that but has the wee nyaff apologised for lying about embryo research yet? Experimenting on babies? Pathetic.
Hamish wrote:
Observer wrote: Vote for who will spend more money on them ? What most people don't seem to realise is that Labour have spent money on Glasgow, icluding the east end, but as they couldn't run a bath never mind a country, it has made little to no difference. No, don't vote for people who will throw money at the constituency, vote for the politician who wants to make a difference. The SNP, SSP, Solidarity and Green candidates all aim to change the way we run things. Labour Libs and Tories offer the same old same. Don't vote for who will throw resources at you, vote for someone who will change things.
Observer, Aye you're right enough, vote for the SNP candidate and he will try and change things - a woman's right to choose for one, and you support that change do you?
Not only that but has the wee nyaff apologised for lying about embryo research yet? Experimenting on babies? Pathetic.
Posted by: Jimbo on 11:03pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Martin[/bold] wrote:
Vote for who will spend more on them ?? What stupid advice - this is one of the reasons there is the dependency culture that keeps them where they are.[/quote] There is a misconception about Glasgow's East-end, propagated by the media, that the whole area is a slum inhabited by a people dependent on hand-outs.
This is definitely not the case. The majority of the people there are decent and hard working and there are many affluent areas in the East-end.
It's true there are areas suffering from deprivation but don't believe the stories that the whole area has become afflicted by Labour Party neglect. There are still some areas there where the dead hand of labour has not been able to reach.
I was at school when they were still building Easterhouse. I remember my teacher telling us: "This is not good for Glasgow, they're building new ghettos, without shops or recreation facilities."
Martin wrote:
Vote for who will spend more on them ?? What stupid advice - this is one of the reasons there is the dependency culture that keeps them where they are.
There is a misconception about Glasgow's East-end, propagated by the media, that the whole area is a slum inhabited by a people dependent on hand-outs.
This is definitely not the case. The majority of the people there are decent and hard working and there are many affluent areas in the East-end.
It's true there are areas suffering from deprivation but don't believe the stories that the whole area has become afflicted by Labour Party neglect. There are still some areas there where the dead hand of labour has not been able to reach.
I was at school when they were still building Easterhouse. I remember my teacher telling us: "This is not good for Glasgow, they're building new ghettos, without shops or recreation facilities."
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 11:03pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Wallace[/bold] wrote:
Hamish McKrapspeak - Attempted character assassination? Do you mean drawing attention to Curran's lies about living and working in the East of Glasgow all her life? Or posing with a Labour activist, purporting to be a war veteran? Or lying about supporting a ban on airguns to the couple whose baby son was killed by such a weapon? Broken election law? I take it you're referring to police being pictured on an election leaflet - like similar pictures in other parties' leaflets that came through my door in previous elections? All parties use this type of picture to support their claims that they will be supportive of the police and tough on crime. And yes, when picked up on it, the SNP election team apologised, which is more than the sordid Labour lot have done about Curran's deliberate lies to mislead the electorate of Glasgow East. Re your repeated insulting comment about John Mason being a "smirking wee bigot" - I could respond in kind by referring to your preferred candidate as a lying,hatchet-faced, screeching harridan, but I won't sink to your level.[/quote] No Wallace,
I mean the daily attempts by the thicko stormtroopers of SNP HQ to smear their opponents. A small band of demented buffoons post vile claim after vile claim. They attempt to bully opponents off discussion boards and generally spout bigoted, infantile nonsense.
They are deluded crapulous cretins who are as laughable as they are pathetic.
Wallace wrote:
Hamish McKrapspeak - Attempted character assassination? Do you mean drawing attention to Curran's lies about living and working in the East of Glasgow all her life? Or posing with a Labour activist, purporting to be a war veteran? Or lying about supporting a ban on airguns to the couple whose baby son was killed by such a weapon? Broken election law? I take it you're referring to police being pictured on an election leaflet - like similar pictures in other parties' leaflets that came through my door in previous elections? All parties use this type of picture to support their claims that they will be supportive of the police and tough on crime. And yes, when picked up on it, the SNP election team apologised, which is more than the sordid Labour lot have done about Curran's deliberate lies to mislead the electorate of Glasgow East. Re your repeated insulting comment about John Mason being a "smirking wee bigot" - I could respond in kind by referring to your preferred candidate as a lying,hatchet-faced, screeching harridan, but I won't sink to your level.
No Wallace,
I mean the daily attempts by the thicko stormtroopers of SNP HQ to smear their opponents. A small band of demented buffoons post vile claim after vile claim. They attempt to bully opponents off discussion boards and generally spout bigoted, infantile nonsense.
They are deluded crapulous cretins who are as laughable as they are pathetic.
Posted by: council worker, edinburgh on 11:05pm Sat 19 Jul 08
just checked the odds on oddschecker.
betfair have astonishing odds.
16/1 0N chancellor to go within next three months.
20/1 ON home secretary to go within next three months.
100/1 ON foreign secretary to go within next three months.
labour are in complete meltdown!
just checked the odds on oddschecker.
betfair have astonishing odds.
16/1 0N chancellor to go within next three months.
20/1 ON home secretary to go within next three months.
100/1 ON foreign secretary to go within next three months.
labour are in complete meltdown!
Posted by: Observer, Glasgow on 11:06pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Graham and Hamish, if all you can do is have a pop at John Mason for his (dreadful) statement on the Politics show then you don't have much of an argument. I disagree with him profoundly on that issue, but it is not the only issue as you two both know. If you focus exclusively on that, and I think you will, you will show that on the political and economic issues you are struggling big time.
The embryo bill will pass guys, that argument has been won. So just drop it and concentrate on what has not already been decided. As if you could.
Graham and Hamish, if all you can do is have a pop at John Mason for his (dreadful) statement on the Politics show then you don't have much of an argument. I disagree with him profoundly on that issue, but it is not the only issue as you two both know. If you focus exclusively on that, and I think you will, you will show that on the political and economic issues you are struggling big time.
The embryo bill will pass guys, that argument has been won. So just drop it and concentrate on what has not already been decided. As if you could.
Posted by: Graham, Bannockburn on 11:06pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Jimbo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Martin[/bold] wrote: Vote for who will spend more on them ?? What stupid advice - this is one of the reasons there is the dependency culture that keeps them where they are.[/quote] There is a misconception about Glasgow's East-end, propagated by the media, that the whole area is a slum inhabited by a people dependent on hand-outs. This is definitely not the case. The majority of the people there are decent and hard working and there are many affluent areas in the East-end. It's true there are areas suffering from deprivation but don't believe the stories that the whole area has become afflicted by Labour Party neglect. There are still some areas there where the dead hand of labour has not been able to reach. I was at school when they were still building Easterhouse. I remember my teacher telling us: "This is not good for Glasgow, they're building new ghettos, without shops or recreation facilities." [/quote] Propogated by the media? And not the nutty nats who talked gleefully about Labour's slums and the life expectancy in Glasgow East being lower than Gaza?
A nat speciality - talk Scotland down while hypocritically claiming you support it.
Lying Liars and the lies they tell...
ps Hi hamish, long time no see....
Jimbo wrote:
Martin wrote: Vote for who will spend more on them ?? What stupid advice - this is one of the reasons there is the dependency culture that keeps them where they are.
There is a misconception about Glasgow's East-end, propagated by the media, that the whole area is a slum inhabited by a people dependent on hand-outs. This is definitely not the case. The majority of the people there are decent and hard working and there are many affluent areas in the East-end. It's true there are areas suffering from deprivation but don't believe the stories that the whole area has become afflicted by Labour Party neglect. There are still some areas there where the dead hand of labour has not been able to reach. I was at school when they were still building Easterhouse. I remember my teacher telling us: "This is not good for Glasgow, they're building new ghettos, without shops or recreation facilities."
Propogated by the media? And not the nutty nats who talked gleefully about Labour's slums and the life expectancy in Glasgow East being lower than Gaza?
A nat speciality - talk Scotland down while hypocritically claiming you support it.
Lying Liars and the lies they tell...
ps Hi hamish, long time no see....
Posted by: EuroMac, Isolated in Europe on 11:07pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Jeez, give the paper a break for once.
Albeit through gritted teeth, they're saying vote SNP. (well, I know they're not, but they're saying "you don't have to vote Labour", so under the circumstances that's nae three bad).
Credit where credit is due, eh?
Jeez, give the paper a break for once.
Albeit through gritted teeth, they're saying vote SNP. (well, I know they're not, but they're saying "you don't have to vote Labour", so under the circumstances that's nae three bad).
Credit where credit is due, eh?
Posted by: Alex Porter, TROLL CLEANSING SERVICES on 11:07pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Please people. IGNORE the TROLLS.
Ignore them and take pleasure in watching them combust with fury and frustration. It's hilarious.
Try it!
Please people. IGNORE the TROLLS.
Ignore them and take pleasure in watching them combust with fury and frustration. It's hilarious.
Try it!
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 11:07pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Mack - Well posted. You've just described Hamish, Graham, PtbS, Exiled, and Alan (the self proclaimed 6-footer, black haired, in a black fleece, who'll challange anyone who opposes him to a square go in Greggs, buying each other fudge doughnuts! Pitiful lot.
Mack - Well posted. You've just described Hamish, Graham, PtbS, Exiled, and Alan (the self proclaimed 6-footer, black haired, in a black fleece, who'll challange anyone who opposes him to a square go in Greggs, buying each other fudge doughnuts! Pitiful lot.
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 11:11pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[bold]Mack, Highland TROLL FREE ZONE on 10:43pm today[/bold]
Good post Mack, the campaign against the Unionist trolls has begun, it was so successfull on Friday that the infamous troll 'AM2' appeared and tried to stir up resentment on Saturday, after early successes people adjusted and ignored him.
We should keep this up, and continually post in order to remind others.
These people do not want reasoned debate as it undermines all they stand for. The newspapers could stop it with ease but choose not to.
In the case of The Scotsman trolling is actively supported with informative comment being deleted and well known trolls allowed free reign.
The Scotsman's site hits will be a fraction of The Herald, where discussion is far more civilised.
The internet has more avenues to be explored and these [italic]are[/italic] being explored. The internet offers the opportunity to circulate stories the Scottish Unionists would rather were supressed and also highlight media manipulation of the truth.
Newspaper comment has a role to play in this but not the only role ............. currently the people have to [bold]find[/bold] the news/comments through navigation of the web, but what if these stories could instead find [bold]them[/bold] ;o).
[bold]LET'S KEEP IGNORING THE TROLLS !![/bold]
Mack, Highland TROLL FREE ZONE on 10:43pm today
Good post Mack, the campaign against the Unionist trolls has begun, it was so successfull on Friday that the infamous troll 'AM2' appeared and tried to stir up resentment on Saturday, after early successes people adjusted and ignored him.
We should keep this up, and continually post in order to remind others.
These people do not want reasoned debate as it undermines all they stand for. The newspapers could stop it with ease but choose not to.
In the case of The Scotsman trolling is actively supported with informative comment being deleted and well known trolls allowed free reign.
The Scotsman's site hits will be a fraction of The Herald, where discussion is far more civilised.
The internet has more avenues to be explored and these
are being explored. The internet offers the opportunity to circulate stories the Scottish Unionists would rather were supressed and also highlight media manipulation of the truth.
Newspaper comment has a role to play in this but not the only role ............. currently the people have to
find the news/comments through navigation of the web, but what if these stories could instead find
them ;o).
LET'S KEEP IGNORING THE TROLLS !! Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 11:11pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote:
Graham and Hamish, if all you can do is have a pop at John Mason for his (dreadful) statement on the Politics show then you don't have much of an argument. I disagree with him profoundly on that issue, but it is not the only issue as you two both know. If you focus exclusively on that, and I think you will, you will show that on the political and economic issues you are struggling big time. The embryo bill will pass guys, that argument has been won. So just drop it and concentrate on what has not already been decided. As if you could. [/quote] Observer,
I'm not struggling with the political and economic arguments. Nor are the people of Glasgow East. They will elect Ms Curran because they have listened to the arguments and judge that Ms Curran will represent them best. I trust you will respect that decision.
Observer wrote:
Graham and Hamish, if all you can do is have a pop at John Mason for his (dreadful) statement on the Politics show then you don't have much of an argument. I disagree with him profoundly on that issue, but it is not the only issue as you two both know. If you focus exclusively on that, and I think you will, you will show that on the political and economic issues you are struggling big time. The embryo bill will pass guys, that argument has been won. So just drop it and concentrate on what has not already been decided. As if you could.
Observer,
I'm not struggling with the political and economic arguments. Nor are the people of Glasgow East. They will elect Ms Curran because they have listened to the arguments and judge that Ms Curran will represent them best. I trust you will respect that decision.
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 11:15pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]george alexander[/bold] wrote:
[bold]Mack, Highland TROLL FREE ZONE on 10:43pm today[/bold] Good post Mack, the campaign against the Unionist trolls has begun, it was so successfull on Friday that the infamous troll 'AM2' appeared and tried to stir up resentment on Saturday, after early successes people adjusted and ignored him. We should keep this up, and continually post in order to remind others. These people do not want reasoned debate as it undermines all they stand for. The newspapers could stop it with ease but choose not to. In the case of The Scotsman trolling is actively supported with informative comment being deleted and well known trolls allowed free reign. The Scotsman's site hits will be a fraction of The Herald, where discussion is far more civilised. The internet has more avenues to be explored and these [italic]are[/italic] being explored. The internet offers the opportunity to circulate stories the Scottish Unionists would rather were supressed and also highlight media manipulation of the truth. Newspaper comment has a role to play in this but not the only role ............. currently the people have to [bold]find[/bold] the news/comments through navigation of the web, but what if these stories could instead find [bold]them[/bold] ;o). [bold]LET'S KEEP IGNORING THE TROLLS !![/bold] [/quote] Georgy,
You're a pompous know-nothing buffoon. You seem to object to The Scotsman's policy of deleting the kind of illegal racist rants you think are 'informative'.
The Herald sites? That'll be the Herald who had to close their comments down because of illegal, threatening and abusive posts from the stormtrooper cybernats of SNP HQ.
george alexander wrote:
Mack, Highland TROLL FREE ZONE on 10:43pm today Good post Mack, the campaign against the Unionist trolls has begun, it was so successfull on Friday that the infamous troll 'AM2' appeared and tried to stir up resentment on Saturday, after early successes people adjusted and ignored him. We should keep this up, and continually post in order to remind others. These people do not want reasoned debate as it undermines all they stand for. The newspapers could stop it with ease but choose not to. In the case of The Scotsman trolling is actively supported with informative comment being deleted and well known trolls allowed free reign. The Scotsman's site hits will be a fraction of The Herald, where discussion is far more civilised. The internet has more avenues to be explored and these are being explored. The internet offers the opportunity to circulate stories the Scottish Unionists would rather were supressed and also highlight media manipulation of the truth. Newspaper comment has a role to play in this but not the only role ............. currently the people have to find the news/comments through navigation of the web, but what if these stories could instead find them ;o). LET'S KEEP IGNORING THE TROLLS !!
Georgy,
You're a pompous know-nothing buffoon. You seem to object to The Scotsman's policy of deleting the kind of illegal racist rants you think are 'informative'.
The Herald sites? That'll be the Herald who had to close their comments down because of illegal, threatening and abusive posts from the stormtrooper cybernats of SNP HQ.
Posted by: Los Angeles, Edinburgh on 11:15pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[bold][quote]LET'S KEEP IGNORING THE TROLLS !![/[/bold] quote] I am Maggie Curran and I approve this message.
LET'S KEEP IGNORING THE TROLLS !! I am Maggie Curran and I approve this message.
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 11:17pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Hamish, I will agree with you on one point - so-called embryo research is not about "experimenting on babies", nor is stem cell research in the hunt for cures for some of the terrible debilitating conditions which affect some children, condemning them to a zero quality of life. I profoundly disagree with John Mason's statemennt on that subject.
However, I still think that he and the SNP winning Glasgow East would be a well deserved kick up the backside for Labour, and a fitting response to the previous MP Marshall's greed in claiming half a million quid in expenses for running an office from his house, employing his wife and daughter as staff.
Hamish, I will agree with you on one point - so-called embryo research is not about "experimenting on babies", nor is stem cell research in the hunt for cures for some of the terrible debilitating conditions which affect some children, condemning them to a zero quality of life. I profoundly disagree with John Mason's statemennt on that subject.
However, I still think that he and the SNP winning Glasgow East would be a well deserved kick up the backside for Labour, and a fitting response to the previous MP Marshall's greed in claiming half a million quid in expenses for running an office from his house, employing his wife and daughter as staff.
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 11:18pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Alex Porter[/bold] wrote:
Please people. IGNORE the TROLLS. Ignore them and take pleasure in watching them combust with fury and frustration. It\'s hilarious. Try it![/quote] People please ignore this [bold]TROLL![/bold]
He's infamous for his racist ranting.....
Alex Porter wrote:
Please people. IGNORE the TROLLS. Ignore them and take pleasure in watching them combust with fury and frustration. It\'s hilarious. Try it!
People please ignore this
TROLL!
He's infamous for his racist ranting.....
Posted by: Alex Porter, TROLLS OUT on 11:18pm Sat 19 Jul 08
EuroMac,
I applauded the Sunday Herald above.
Although in this editorial I feel that the issue of poverty is ignored.
I lived in Glasgow housing schemes. I know how false Labour's 'regeneration projects' are. I saw lives destroyed in these places. People who couldn't afford even a hobbey.
I'll never forget where I come from and I'll never forgive Labour for thier leeching at the expense of the poor that they created.
My anger is from my experience. This issue will not be dealt with by Labour and it is time that it is taken more seriously by newspapers that consider themselves to be part of Scottish democracy.
EuroMac,
I applauded the Sunday Herald above.
Although in this editorial I feel that the issue of poverty is ignored.
I lived in Glasgow housing schemes. I know how false Labour's 'regeneration projects' are. I saw lives destroyed in these places. People who couldn't afford even a hobbey.
I'll never forget where I come from and I'll never forgive Labour for thier leeching at the expense of the poor that they created.
My anger is from my experience. This issue will not be dealt with by Labour and it is time that it is taken more seriously by newspapers that consider themselves to be part of Scottish democracy.
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 11:19pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Not content with stinking out these boards with your vile 'opinions' you've now jammed us on bold. Numbskull.
Not content with stinking out these boards with your vile 'opinions' you've now jammed us on bold. Numbskull.
Posted by: Craig on 11:19pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Alex Porter[/bold] wrote:
On the subject of the media.
This election has shown most of the media managing news for a positive outcome for Labour in Glasgow East. Yes, the hacks won another election.
I can tell them this; the rest of Scotland can't be manipulated so easily!
It is time for the press to follow the example of the Sunday Herald and tell the truth as they see it.
Scotland's media are shameful.[/quote] I work as a journalist. We don't have a conspiracy to manage news in labour's favour.
You're losing the argument if you resort to that lie, Alex.
Alex Porter wrote:
On the subject of the media.
This election has shown most of the media managing news for a positive outcome for Labour in Glasgow East. Yes, the hacks won another election.
I can tell them this; the rest of Scotland can't be manipulated so easily!
It is time for the press to follow the example of the Sunday Herald and tell the truth as they see it.
Scotland's media are shameful.
I work as a journalist. We don't have a conspiracy to manage news in labour's favour.
You're losing the argument if you resort to that lie, Alex.
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 11:21pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Alex Porter[/bold] wrote:
EuroMac, I applauded the Sunday Herald above. Although in this editorial I feel that the issue of poverty is ignored. I lived in Glasgow housing schemes. I know how false Labour's 'regeneration projects' are. I saw lives destroyed in these places. People who couldn't afford even a hobbey. I'll never forget where I come from and I'll never forgive Labour for thier leeching at the expense of the poor that they created. My anger is from my experience. This issue will not be dealt with by Labour and it is time that it is taken more seriously by newspapers that consider themselves to be part of Scottish democracy.[/quote] I applauded the Sunday Herald above.
Although in this editorial I feel that the issue of poverty is ignored.
pretentious, moi?
Alex Porter wrote:
EuroMac, I applauded the Sunday Herald above. Although in this editorial I feel that the issue of poverty is ignored. I lived in Glasgow housing schemes. I know how false Labour's 'regeneration projects' are. I saw lives destroyed in these places. People who couldn't afford even a hobbey. I'll never forget where I come from and I'll never forgive Labour for thier leeching at the expense of the poor that they created. My anger is from my experience. This issue will not be dealt with by Labour and it is time that it is taken more seriously by newspapers that consider themselves to be part of Scottish democracy.
I applauded the Sunday Herald above.
Although in this editorial I feel that the issue of poverty is ignored.
pretentious, moi?
Posted by: Wallace, Perth on 11:21pm Sat 19 Jul 08
By the way people, the bold type is not my fault, it just appeared after LA's post.
By the way people, the bold type is not my fault, it just appeared after LA's post.
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:21pm Sat 19 Jul 08
A damming article
They would have employed a Monkey
by Brendan Perring , The Sunday Times
www.timesonline.co.u
k/tol/news/politics/
article4362917.ece
A damming article
They would have employed a Monkey
by Brendan Perring , The Sunday Times
www.timesonline.co.u
k/tol/news/politics/
article4362917.ece
Posted by: george alexander, north lanarkshire on 11:22pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[bold]OBSERVE THE TACTIC WORKING ALREADY !!
THE QUALITY OF COMMENT INCREASES AS THE RESPONSES TO THESE TROLLS DECREASE.
WATCH OUT THOUGH FOR HITHERTO UNKNOWN NAMES SUDDENLY APPEARING !![/bold]
OBSERVE THE TACTIC WORKING ALREADY !!
THE QUALITY OF COMMENT INCREASES AS THE RESPONSES TO THESE TROLLS DECREASE.
WATCH OUT THOUGH FOR HITHERTO UNKNOWN NAMES SUDDENLY APPEARING !! Posted by: Craig on 11:22pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Hamish[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote: Vote for who will spend more money on them ? What most people don't seem to realise is that Labour have spent money on Glasgow, icluding the east end, but as they couldn't run a bath never mind a country, it has made little to no difference. No, don't vote for people who will throw money at the constituency, vote for the politician who wants to make a difference. The SNP, SSP, Solidarity and Green candidates all aim to change the way we run things. Labour Libs and Tories offer the same old same. Don't vote for who will throw resources at you, vote for someone who will change things.[/quote] Observer, Aye you're right enough, vote for the SNP candidate and he will try and change things - a woman's right to choose for one, and you support that change do you?[/quote] I have just answered Graham and will answer you in a similar way. You must knw my views on abortion rights and support for medical research. I deplore John Mason's comments on that. But the issue of the by election is bigger, so as I said to Graham don't drag it down to gutter level. Try and see the wood, not the trees. [/quote] How is it dragging the debate down to gutter level by referring to a statement made by the SNP candidate?
Surely you mean please don't highlight John Mason's unpleasant views?
Observer wrote:
Hamish wrote:
Observer wrote: Vote for who will spend more money on them ? What most people don't seem to realise is that Labour have spent money on Glasgow, icluding the east end, but as they couldn't run a bath never mind a country, it has made little to no difference. No, don't vote for people who will throw money at the constituency, vote for the politician who wants to make a difference. The SNP, SSP, Solidarity and Green candidates all aim to change the way we run things. Labour Libs and Tories offer the same old same. Don't vote for who will throw resources at you, vote for someone who will change things.
Observer, Aye you're right enough, vote for the SNP candidate and he will try and change things - a woman's right to choose for one, and you support that change do you?
I have just answered Graham and will answer you in a similar way. You must knw my views on abortion rights and support for medical research. I deplore John Mason's comments on that. But the issue of the by election is bigger, so as I said to Graham don't drag it down to gutter level. Try and see the wood, not the trees.
How is it dragging the debate down to gutter level by referring to a statement made by the SNP candidate?
Surely you mean please don't highlight John Mason's unpleasant views?
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 11:24pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Wallace[/bold] wrote:
Hamish, I will agree with you on one point - so-called embryo research is not about "experimenting on babies", nor is stem cell research in the hunt for cures for some of the terrible debilitating conditions which affect some children, condemning them to a zero quality of life. I profoundly disagree with John Mason's statemennt on that subject. However, I still think that he and the SNP winning Glasgow East would be a well deserved kick up the backside for Labour, and a fitting response to the previous MP Marshall's greed in claiming half a million quid in expenses for running an office from his house, employing his wife and daughter as staff.[/quote] Wallace,
Alex Salmond has claimed more expenses than Mr Marshall.
Are you also telling me that it is acceptable for ministers to rip the p1sh out of Holyrood entitlements? Who was it that sold their house in Linlithgow to flit a few hundred yards to get their snout stuck into that trough?
Was that a Labour or SNP minister?
Wallace wrote:
Hamish, I will agree with you on one point - so-called embryo research is not about "experimenting on babies", nor is stem cell research in the hunt for cures for some of the terrible debilitating conditions which affect some children, condemning them to a zero quality of life. I profoundly disagree with John Mason's statemennt on that subject. However, I still think that he and the SNP winning Glasgow East would be a well deserved kick up the backside for Labour, and a fitting response to the previous MP Marshall's greed in claiming half a million quid in expenses for running an office from his house, employing his wife and daughter as staff.
Wallace,
Alex Salmond has claimed more expenses than Mr Marshall.
Are you also telling me that it is acceptable for ministers to rip the p1sh out of Holyrood entitlements? Who was it that sold their house in Linlithgow to flit a few hundred yards to get their snout stuck into that trough?
Was that a Labour or SNP minister?
Posted by: Shylock Holmes, 221 c Baker Street on 11:25pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Graham[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ditchgazza[/bold] wrote: In a way, Lamish, I hope the Maggot wins. With all the media attention the people will be looking to see if she'll deliver on her promises. Something she has no intention of doing. Maggot is attracted to the trough like her fellow liebour traitors and the call of the John Lewis catalogue is the driving force for her.[/quote] ditch-baby, Well, you won't be disappointed when she does win then, will you? Just watch your fellow nats disparage the people of Glasgow East when they reject your wee, parochial bigot of a candidate. It won't be a pretty sight.....[/quote] Haw Graham (11:06 pm), ah thoat ye wur fae Glesca, no Bannockburn! Huv ye moved in wi Hamish?
How's M15 suitin ye?
Graham wrote:
ditchgazza wrote: In a way, Lamish, I hope the Maggot wins. With all the media attention the people will be looking to see if she'll deliver on her promises. Something she has no intention of doing. Maggot is attracted to the trough like her fellow liebour traitors and the call of the John Lewis catalogue is the driving force for her.
ditch-baby, Well, you won't be disappointed when she does win then, will you? Just watch your fellow nats disparage the people of Glasgow East when they reject your wee, parochial bigot of a candidate. It won't be a pretty sight.....
Haw Graham (11:06 pm), ah thoat ye wur fae Glesca, no Bannockburn! Huv ye moved in wi Hamish?
How's M15 suitin ye?
Posted by: Vivas, Embra on 11:25pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Hamish[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Observer[/bold] wrote:
Graham and Hamish, if all you can do is have a pop at John Mason for his (dreadful) statement on the Politics show then you don\\\'t have much of an argument. I disagree with him profoundly on that issue, but it is not the only issue as you two both know. If you focus exclusively on that, and I think you will, you will show that on the political and economic issues you are struggling big time. The embryo bill will pass guys, that argument has been won. So just drop it and concentrate on what has not already been decided. As if you could. [/quote] Observer,
I\\\'m not struggling with the political and economic arguments. Nor are the people of Glasgow East. They will elect Ms Curran because they have listened to the arguments and judge that Ms Curran will represent them best. I trust you will respect that decision.[/quote] Really ? She hasn't got a single original idea - [italic]or even her own platitudes[/italic] - in her head.
tinyurl.com/62swzs
I congratulated her on the heartfelt commitment she had demonstrated to the people of the east end: “I really liked the new letter I was handing out the other day.”
She replied: “Somebody said, ‘Oh Margaret, I got your letter, thanks very much, it was brilliant.’ [bold]I don’t know what the letter says, but I’m sure it’s very good.[/bold] ”
A short time later she was handed a large stack of the draft of a new campaign letter by an aide, which she plunged into signing without further ado.
Hamish wrote:
Observer wrote:
Graham and Hamish, if all you can do is have a pop at John Mason for his (dreadful) statement on the Politics show then you don't have much of an argument. I disagree with him profoundly on that issue, but it is not the only issue as you two both know. If you focus exclusively on that, and I think you will, you will show that on the political and economic issues you are struggling big time. The embryo bill will pass guys, that argument has been won. So just drop it and concentrate on what has not already been decided. As if you could.
Observer,
I'm not struggling with the political and economic arguments. Nor are the people of Glasgow East. They will elect Ms Curran because they have listened to the arguments and judge that Ms Curran will represent them best. I trust you will respect that decision.
Really ? She hasn't got a single original idea -
or even her own platitudes - in her head.
tinyurl.com/62swzs
I congratulated her on the heartfelt commitment she had demonstrated to the people of the east end: “I really liked the new letter I was handing out the other day.”
She replied: “Somebody said, ‘Oh Margaret, I got your letter, thanks very much, it was brilliant.’
I don’t know what the letter says, but I’m sure it’s very good. ”
A short time later she was handed a large stack of the draft of a new campaign letter by an aide, which she plunged into signing without further ado.
Posted by: Hamish, Bannockburn on 11:27pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]george alexander[/bold] wrote:
[bold]OBSERVE THE TACTIC WORKING ALREADY !! THE QUALITY OF COMMENT INCREASES AS THE RESPONSES TO THESE TROLLS DECREASE. WATCH OUT THOUGH FOR HITHERTO UNKNOWN NAMES SUDDENLY APPEARING !![/bold] [/quote] IGNORE THIS TROLL!
Georgy is a notorious purveyor of p1sh who's been banned from the Scotsman for his vile and outlandish views. He's also not a huge fan of free speech.....
george alexander wrote:
OBSERVE THE TACTIC WORKING ALREADY !! THE QUALITY OF COMMENT INCREASES AS THE RESPONSES TO THESE TROLLS DECREASE. WATCH OUT THOUGH FOR HITHERTO UNKNOWN NAMES SUDDENLY APPEARING !!
IGNORE THIS TROLL!
Georgy is a notorious purveyor of p1sh who's been banned from the Scotsman for his vile and outlandish views. He's also not a huge fan of free speech.....
Posted by: Graham, Bannockburn on 11:29pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Shylock Holmes[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Graham[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]ditchgazza[/bold] wrote: In a way, Lamish, I hope the Maggot wins. With all the media attention the people will be looking to see if she'll deliver on her promises. Something she has no intention of doing. Maggot is attracted to the trough like her fellow liebour traitors and the call of the John Lewis catalogue is the driving force for her.[/quote] ditch-baby, Well, you won't be disappointed when she does win then, will you? Just watch your fellow nats disparage the people of Glasgow East when they reject your wee, parochial bigot of a candidate. It won't be a pretty sight.....[/quote] Haw Graham (11:06 pm), ah thoat ye wur fae Glesca, no Bannockburn! Huv ye moved in wi Hamish? How's M15 suitin ye?[/quote] M15? I don't need any furniture...
Shylock Holmes wrote:
Graham wrote: ditchgazza wrote: In a way, Lamish, I hope the Maggot wins. With all the media attention the people will be looking to see if she'll deliver on her promises. Something she has no intention of doing. Maggot is attracted to the trough like her fellow liebour traitors and the call of the John Lewis catalogue is the driving force for her.
ditch-baby, Well, you won't be disappointed when she does win then, will you? Just watch your fellow nats disparage the people of Glasgow East when they reject your wee, parochial bigot of a candidate. It won't be a pretty sight.....
Haw Graham (11:06 pm), ah thoat ye wur fae Glesca, no Bannockburn! Huv ye moved in wi Hamish? How's M15 suitin ye?
M15? I don't need any furniture...
Posted by: Wardog, Buckie on 11:30pm Sat 19 Jul 08
I do hope all these Labour Supporters are prepared for the outcome should there SNP win.
They seem to very very sure of Labour winning this.
Do I detect that they are taking their voters for granted?
I do hope all these Labour Supporters are prepared for the outcome should there SNP win.
They seem to very very sure of Labour winning this.
Do I detect that they are taking their voters for granted?
Posted by: Alex Porter, TROLL FREE ZONE on 11:30pm Sat 19 Jul 08
Craig,
Are you joking. What about Murray Ritchie's opinions then?
[quote]I once made a light-hearted speech at a private function where I confessed personal support for Scottish Nationalism and was immediately reported by a Labour spin doctor to my editor. I wasn't fired, thanks to an understanding editor (but the spin doctor was, eventually). When a bright young BBC journalist stood for the SNP in a Falkirk West by-election, he was promptly banished to covering sport in London. When the SNP leader took a wife who was a BBC political correspondent she was bumped into general reporting. When Dorothy-Grace Elder stood as an SNP candidate she had her Sunday column killed off. At present I cannot think of a single columnist who is paid or even permitted regularly to advance the case for independence - while many others make lucrative careers by routinely rubbishing the idea.[/quote]
You might want to stick up for your affable colleagues but this issue is about Scottish democracy.
The manipulation of political coverage is endemic in Scotland.
Perhaps the SNP can't say that and I understand why they don't but that doesn't stop the ordinary punters calling a spade a spade.
Craig,
Are you joking. What about Murray Ritchie's opinions then?
I once made a light-hearted speech at a private function where I confessed personal support for Scottish Nationalism and was immediately reported by a Labour spin doctor to my editor. I wasn't fired, thanks to an understanding editor (but the spin doctor was, eventually). When a bright young BBC journalist stood for the SNP in a Falkirk West by-election, he was promptly banished to covering sport in London. When the SNP leader took a wife who was a BBC political correspondent she was bumped into general reporting. When Dorothy-Grace Elder stood as an SNP candidate she had her Sunday column killed off. At present I cannot think of a single columnist who is paid or even permitted regularly to advance the case for independence - while many others make lucrative careers by routinely rubbishing the idea.
You might want to stick up for your affable colleagues but this issue is about Scottish democracy.
The manipulation of political coverage is endemic in Scotland.
Perhaps the SNP can't say that and I understand why they don't but that doesn't stop the ordinary punters calling a spade a spade.
Posted by: Shylock Holmes, 221c Baker Street on 11:31pm Sat 19 Jul 08
[quote][bold]EuroMac[/bold] wrote:
Jeez, give the paper a break for once. Albeit through gritted teeth, they're saying vote SNP. (well, I know they're not, but they're saying "you don't have to vote Labour", so under the circumstances that's nae three bad). Credit where credit is due, eh?[/quote] Good reading EuroMac; an SNP win in this election will not bring Brown down. And if Curran wins, she will do both jobs until the next Westminster Election.
EuroMac wrote:
Jeez, give the paper a break for once. Albeit through gritted teeth, they're saying vote SNP. (well, I know they're not, but they're saying "you don't have to vote Labour", so under the circumstances that's nae three bad). Credit where credit is due, eh?
Good reading EuroMac; an SNP win in this election will not bring Brown down. And if Curran wins, she will do both jobs until the next Westminster Election.
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